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and the jobs and economy. you can see what is happening with our twinkie and hostess and all . people who make them. they are out of the a job because of union workers who are demanding more. be lucky you have a job right now. >> wayne, if you look at thanksgiving to news years. and this is it super bowl for retailers for profits and unions know that and the timing is rough, don't you think? >> i don't see it that way. timing is off. you have merchandise in the tore right now. you caint sell it for the holiday season. what happens on black friday and going forward into the christmas season. all of that merchandise has to be here. you have to ordered that months ago. these strikes are not hurting it hurts the walmart protest that could hurt shopping. port authority in oakland not necessarily behaved. they are one of the mot notorous unions. >> and at the same time certainly labor has a right to have their voice and issues whethert is health care or pay. >> they are choosing america's holiday season to get their message across and get their employers on the spot. you think that turns the sentime
during the holiday season and consumers make up 70% of the u.s. economy. during the holiday-shortened week the markets moved in tandem for the fiscal cliff. up more midweek. the markets continued to climb on friday. stunning accusations that one of america's iconic companies hewlett-packard which acquired autonomy last year for $11 billion is accusing autonomy of what it called serious improprieties in its bookkeeping and inflating its own value. meg witman says the company lied about how much it was worth. >> we believe there's a willful effort on the part of certain members of autonomy management to mislead shareholders when they were a publicly held companies and mislead buyers including hp and we stand by the forensic review we have seen. as you know, we have turned it over to the fcc. >> we are shocked. we have been pretty ambushed by this today. first we heard about it was a press release and we refute them. they are factually incorrect. we'd like to learn more about them. i'm afraid the details haven't been shared with us. >> reporter: autonomy ceo said the company fo
't think that raising tax rates is something that's good for this economy, that will help grow jobs. and so what we have said is there are ways for the federal government to have more revenue if we grow this economy and engage in tax reforms. >> every economist i respect says if you raise tax rates at this time -- in fact the president said that a couple years ago -- that it harms the economy. we're trying to help the economy. and so unless i can be convinced that raising tax rates will be beneficial, then obviously i think there's reason and grounds for my position. >> the truth is this country does not need to go through this fiscal cliff, which is fundamentally a huge tax increase and very little spending cuts. we're favoring a huge automatic tax increase that needs to be changed. >> bottom line we can't go off the fiscal cliff. democrats have harry reid. we have mitch mcconnell. get them in the room. no one gets all they want. if reagan and o'neill could do it, obama and boehner should be able to do it. >> it's the right approach, the one most beneficial for our economy, that protects t
strategic leadership that says that we need to get this engine and the economy pumping again. neil: do you think, and this is mentioned byitt romney a lot. you know that you are going to do things differently? dubai that? >> everybody talks about reducing taxes because they want more capital to grow their business. but it's also regulations. businesses are confronted at the township and city level. >> here in chicago, you need 161 licenses to open up the business. >> if you open up a job shop, you have to have a license to give them a bath. it's ridiculous. why can't we consolidate some of these things and reduce the bureaucracy? it isn't about the people collecting anything but a paycheck. neil: they must realize that the more they push this, the more it it endangers the economy and their very jobs are online. >> you would think so, when you? there is a lot of evidence that says those people inside the beltway are living in a bubble. washington dc is the only city in the ited states that has had taken continuous growthh >> what about when gas comes down? >> you have a gas situation where
to disincentivize the economy and being too restrictive and cut off growth. it would be easy if there was a right and wrong. everything is right here so it is a matter of judgment, what proportion you come back in these things. but i think both sides have to be touched in this, entitlements have to be touched and revenue has to be touched. >> that's the message lloyd blankfein is delivering right now to members of congress on the hill and what he'll say to the president later on today. >>> as eamon mentioned, the president will not only meet with mr. blankfein but a number of other ceos at the white house later today to sell that fiscal cliff plan to them. president earlier today out speaking about it. our chief washington correspondent john harwood is live at the white house with some details on that. hi, john. >> reporter: hi, sue. i echo eamon. i think wall street ought to pay a little bit less attention to the statements that are coming out every day because we've got a long way to go on this roller coaster ride. we've got a live picture of jay carney briefing at the white house right now. th
for the biggest airports in the country. wait until you hear this one. could this have an impact on the economy? that nobody thought of. we will break it all down for you, more "money" coming up. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] they are a glowing example of what it means to be the best. and at this special time of year, they shine even brighter. come to the winter event and get the merces-nz you've always wished for, now for an exceptional price. [ santa ] ho, ho, ho, ho! [ male announcer lease a 2013 glk350 for $399 a month at your local mercedes-benz dealer. melissa: the service employees union is trying to disrupt one of the busiest travel days of the year at lax headquarters in l.a. or the 1000 protesters are out blocking traffic trying to prevent travelers from getting to the airport. people were told to allow an extra hour and a half to get there. an extra hour and half on top of all the hours were supposed to get there ahead of time. with me now for both sides of the debate. gentlemen, welcome to the debate. i will start with you because as we watched all the video today of protesters out the
's the one that's most beneficial for our economy. >> reporter: larry, what i would say is tax increases does not necessarily, despite the rhetoric on both sides, and especially from democrats, does not necessarily have to mean increases in tax rates. it is possible, if you look at the estate tax, if you look at the treatment of dividends, capital gains and carried interest and take a look at loopholes and deductions to raise a significant amount of revenue from people at the top without changing the marginal rate, layery. >> very interesting. we're going to have senator tom coburn on that very subject later in the show. many thanks to john harwood coming from washington, d.c. now, with everyone in washington talking tax hikes, whatever happened to spending cuts? that's really my question. spending cuts and limited government and private sector free enterprise and growth. here now is cnbc contributor and democratic vat gist keith boykin, a former clinton white house aide and best selling author and talk show host larry elder, out with a new took, "dear father, dear son." larry already the sho
are cutting back on spending and a bad deal for the economy? well, let's ask. ben stein, dagen mcdowell, charlie gasperino and gary k. want to start with you. bad deal for all of us? >> of course, look, business investment was already down last quarter over 1%, and the word uncertainty just pervades the air and its business, its consumer, how about philanthropic organizations don't no what kind of write-offs for charity and the worst the outcome is probably going to be more, and taxes are going to go up and of course there will be no spending cuts. >> and ben, it does sound ominous, even if you're not someone who reads the wall street journal, the fiscal cliff, fiscal cliff, it could be the-- i don't know intimidation factor, it could actually be worse than going over the cliff. >> i think that's a brilliant point, charles. if we went over the cliff for a few months the impact would not be enormous, and uncertainty is a bad word and fear is a really, really bad words and these are the words that govern the economy today and imperative that democrats put their heart and soul into a
to destroy the economy. no one in their right mind is going to allow that kind of increase to devastate the economy. lou: that's a good point. it's interesting that no one is talking about the fact that individual tax payment, 26% of the bush tax cuts over the past two years, the answer here is this. i just want to see everybody be happy. let me turn to benghazi. there is a palpable sense in washington dc right now. i don't believe the congress has the strength or the tools to actually penetrate the veil of denial and secrecy and opaqueness that is this administration and what it has done. now, when you think this is? >> the attorney general has to do this. lou: can you really see eric holder doing that? saying that we will investigate ourselves? >> if he doesn't do an independent investigation, you have the very people who have floated the idea of prosecuting general petraeus, there are all kinds of things they might do to him. there is all kinds of pressure that can be brought about. lou: are you saying that you don't think, i was speaking earlier with. rinsing, you don't think it's a
to how this economy is. and how much we have created the entitlement mentality that everyone feels they should that they should be on food stamps. when you look at the costs, within about two years, texas at the federal level are going to go just to pay for entitlement programs that have no money left over to pay for all of the other programs of the government. and i find it very suspicious and interesting as you do that here we ha been talking about this for the last couple of weeks and nobody is talking about reforming these things. >> here is the thing. my idea is let them out there. you have a coupe of years to do damage control. ultimately, if everyone gets their head in the sand in washington, we haven't even talked about the interest on debt the debt that we owe. between that and how do we have an economy? how we grow an economy? that we provide for the kids? >> that's a great point. when i talked about the exploding cost of entitlement, there is something that is the expensive single program. it is hard to reform these programs with the democrats and unions. the unioion to
to the financial system. >> steve, if only the market could focus on just the economy, which actually seems to be chugging along okay. if you look at durables, consumer confidence, the ongoing recovery and housing, it's the overhang of the cliff that's spooking everybody. >> yeah, we've had somewhat better numbers. the new home sales today, not great. maybe sandy affected even though the government said it wasn't. the economy's okay. it may be more of a 2% plus economy in the fourth quarter than is being given credit on the street. it's not gang busters. the question has been for a long time -- by the way, there's some headlines from the beige book. you can see it really did affect the northeast, new york, and new jersey especially. so we'll see some of that in the data in the months ahead. we'll be seeing some rebuilding going on. you know, i would not make a call here on the economy, scott, to say go ahead and invest in the economy. after the fiscal cliff everything is fine. i think there's a reason for cautious optimism, but i don't think there's a reason to think it's going to go gang b
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and focus on rebuilding the middle class and strengthening our economy by investing in jobs, not cuts. as for the effectiveness of this campaign one conservative says this type of pressure from unions is nothing new. >> the fact that they are publicly saying what they have been privately saying helps the american people understand where obama's in trend and comes from but nothing has changed. >> the issue is in the fiscal cliff discussion democrats appear willing to put entitlements and spending on the table. republicans saying they're willing to do tax revenue and that could be or would be the key to any agreement to avoid the fiscal cliff and get the country's books back in order. gerri: you will be covering this for a long time. thanks for that. this black friday wal-mart shoppers think protests, it is not a superstore workers on the picket line. jeff flock joins us with more. jeff: a few of them but the majority were not wal-mart workers but members of other unions like the teamsters, the uaw, it was built today as a demonstration against the notion of working on thursday on thank
the fed chairman had to say this afternoon. listen to this. >>n a worst-case scenario where the economy goes off the broad fiscal cliff, the largest fiscal cliff, don't think the fed has the tools to offset that. gerri: don't look at me, can do anything if you can't avoid the fiscal cliff. what did you make of that? speak of the war is quite complicit dumb explicit. if the u.s. goes over the fiscal cliff, the jump in taxes woul likely quickly push the u.s. economy into a recession and there is nothing the fed cado to prevent that from happening. gei: it seems to have unloaded everytng they have, the economy has to come back on its own now. >> they can do with the bank of japan is now supposedly considering, resort to negative interest rate policy. consumerwould be charged to keep money in savings accounts. that is one way getting people to spend, i don't think that is likely to happen anytime soon. gerri: i think that is just crazy talk to lots of viewers. but it is reality. instead of getting paid for putting your money someplace, which is the way it normally happens, instead you have
brands. remember the colonel. joy global. china is so crucial to such a huge swath of the economy, i can't stress how important this trend might be. hey, let's take the rails. >> all aboard! >> they've been horrendous in large part because of decline in coal shipments to our power plants which are nat gas. china is building hundreds of coal burning plants. when electricity use is up, you'll see stocks like csx and norfolk southern start to bottom. you know what? i think they bottom now. just how powerful is china? consider this. last week we had a truce between the israelis and gazans. it took people by surprise. how can oil stay high given the sudden ephemeral peace? oil didn't fall. that's because of rapacious chinese demand. oil stocks didn't fall either. then there's europe. deal talks were in the air friday. that means a day when the industrials that had so much riding on return to growth in europe could blossom. they were some of the best actors out there. good news for europe, still good news for the international u.s. banks. they went up, too. jp morgan, goldman sachs. retail. we
say that the president proposed $1.6 trillion in new revenue? he wants to destroy the economy? come on. who in their right mind will allow that kind of increase to devastate the economy. it will not be hostess going out of business. >> lou: that is a good point and it is interesting, no one is talking about the fact that individual tax payments, taxpayer payments, internal revenue service, receipts from those taxpayers have risen 26% under the bush tax cuts, over the past two years which tells us that the answer here is growth. >> that's right. >> lou: i'm a simple fellow and i'd like to see everybody start talking to each other. let me turn to benghazi, because, the special prosecutor. there is a sense of hopelessness that is palpable in washington, d.c., right now. because, i don't believe the congress feels that it has the strength or the tools to actually penetrate the veil of denial and secrecy and opaqueness that is the administration, when it comes to what it has done. witness the last nine weeks. you are calling for a special prosecutor, and the fellow who has to do that work f
brotherhood led egyptian government. it is strangling in an economy at is simply not working. the united states and europe have the trump cards in this. is that an incorrect statement in your judgment? >> yes, because the imf still has already been signed. he has that credit line out there. i think what's going on in egypt is that there is a struggle between -- lou: actually, this deal was reached today. they have not been funded. lou: but the deal is done. acquiescence to udgment and reason. and necessary component. >> as you correctly pointed out that europeans will not put pressure on egypt. he will get his money from the imf. the -- lou: wait a minute. let me interject. i truly believe that it is of fair statement to say, the united states will have its will with the imf and what it does in this instance. am i wrong? >> well, we will see in a couple of weeks. i think the real struggle here is between morrissey and his idlogical instincts on the one hand and elements of the egyptian security structure, the military and the intelligence service on the other. despite his best efforts, s
shortcut to a resurgent economy and the new greatness.idenc lou: coming up short losing the majority of the swing states. joining me now the talk about some of the reasons behind that, the shifting demographics. a former assistant to presidento george w. bush, also with us opera the new york times best-seller the amateur on the obama administration this is as if the obama team did not -- it just knew exactly wat would unfold. that is how together they were >> i'll understand that. the cost per ad, the republicans have to pay, many times more than the democrats. they bought there rate and they bought them in a very inefficient way. the whole campaign was just shot through with inefficiency. lou: de think it will be as easy for the republicans to raise money next time? >> people talking about, is there a silver lining for the republican. no doubt there are a lot of attractive potential candidates. you can go on and on. the question is, the base which controls the primary situation, will they go for any of these people, these populist conservatives overvalue conservatives. lou: let me p
of the economy so if they get into trouble you have counterparty risk. if i owe you money and get in ouble it is your problem as well. it is closely intertwined. we saw this in 1998 with long-term capital management. no one had ever heard of it and this hedge fund got into trouble and it was deemed by wall street and the federal reserve to pose a systemic risk to the whole financial system so we never heard of it but had to bail out. rri: do we need more regulation? that is the first in a lot of people would say? >> first thing regulators want to do is regulate and they want a lot of complicated regulation. i don't think that is the answer but bringing this stuff out into the sunlight making these shadow banks show what sort of risks are opposed to the system would be a really good start so at least we have a sense of what is going on. gerri: for the regular american out there there's a whole world that is completely closed to them, has nothing to do with them but at the end of the day could make big trouble for regular investors. give us an example of how this could unwind. >> as we saw w
optimistic about spending in this economy. the index of consumer attitudes edging up to 73.7 from an up yard hi-revised reading of 73.1 in october o. and u.s. home prices climbing higher for the sixth month in a row. property values in 20 cities jumped 3% compared to one year ago, building on a 2% gain posted in august. liz: green mountain coffee roasters brewing up numbers, robert gray has the numbers. >> reporter: coming in better than expected, 946.7 million bucks, well ahead of the estimate, 902, and the nongap adjusted earnings number coming in, again, well ahead of expectations, 64 cents. thatts better than the 48 cents that were anticipated there. and they're talking up the sales of new platforms here as they're facing new competition from starbucks. a double beat, if you will, and you see the shares jumping in after hours. liz: yes, david was right, it has been hammered by the short sellers, particularly david einhorn who was famed for short selling lehman brothers. but, again, this is a company that has continued to try and come through here, new management changes, right, robert? >
and certainly the largest threat to the u.s. economy. >> meredith whitney was talking back in 2010 about a then- looming financial crisis involving state and local governments across the country. it was a debt crisis which some people believe could derail the recovery and require another big bailout package that no one in washington wants to talk about. >> the day of reckoning has arrived. that's it. and it's gonna arrive everywhere. time may vary a little bit depending upon which state you're in, but it's coming. [ticking] >> welcome to 60 minutes on cnbc. i'm steve kroft. in this edition, we look at three stories linked by the financial collapse of 2008. first, we examine a scam that's cost thousands of americans their homes. then we look into wall street's shadow market of credit default swaps. finally, a report on the perilous state of state finances. we begin with the foreclosure crisis. in the aftermath of the great recession, the huge number of foreclosed properties was a significant factor in weighing down the economy. many were stuck on the market for an unexpected reason: the banks co
will it do to our economy? >> i don't think it will do that much. i think people will assume a solution will be found quite promptly. it's a little like the debt ceiling question. people know -- the rest of the world may think we're idiotic at times but don't think we're going to commit suicide. so i think if -- i hope something gets worked out before january 1st. if it goes a little bit beyond that, i don't think -- >> if it's january 10th -- >> if you guaranteed me that the fiscal cliff, we would go past that, i wouldn't sell a share of stock today. >> you have confidence that in the end they will fix it? >> and that this economy works. >> he is confident of a deal huh? >> he really does. he believes there's a possibility -- he thinks it will take some time. first thing he wants to see is a minimum tax, which they can do now in terms of people who make more than a million dollars, minimum tax you have to pay it before you do the tax reform. too many competing interests to get it done immediately. interesting man. we'll have more from him. >>> to republican politics,
breaking this pledge? >> let's distinguish with what boehner have said. i certainly agree, if the economy grew at 4% instead of 2% for the next decade, the federal government would net an additional $5 trillion. you could pay all of obama's death down. connell: that is not what he is talking about. >> okay. i am sorry. what he said is what i said. what obama claims he said is a separate matter. boehner was very clear. obama said, oh, you have agreed to tax increases. the talks collapsed because obama misstated. connell: what you say to republicans who are thinking about breaking the pledge? >> look, most republicans have signed the pledge. even the ones who have not have made it very clear even when they ran for office, higher taxes have hurt the economy. they have spent too much money. the entitlements are looking to break the economy. we need to spend less. raising taxes to get the politicians more money to continue spending, does not solve any problems. connell: i know you think this is the narratives being pushed by the media and all of that, if they do break it, that does speak to yo
the economy? who will allow that increase to devastate the economy? lou: a good point*. nobody talks about the fact that individual top -- checks payments federal receipts has risen over the last few years that the answer is broken i went to see how they talk to each other. there is a sense of helplessness that is palpable because i don't believe the congress feels it has the strength to penetrate the veil of denial , and secrecy that is this administration over the last nine weeks and he called for the special prosecutor. >> that's right. attorney general house to do it. >> eric holder says congressman you have a splendid idea. we will investigate ourselves. >> if he does not a point* a special prosecutor then what you have is the very people who floated the idea of general petraeus for adultery in the military. there is all kinds of pressure. lou: you don't thiik it is a coincidence coming down on david petraeus head against the issue it -- issues of the administration? >> exactly. i love your sarcasm. that is the problem. we have the purse strings with the department of injustice when i
interest deduction may be on the chopping block if the economy falls off the fiscal cliff. what does it mean for you and your nation's nascent housing recovery? rodney anderson is the director of supreme lending. welcome, sir. >> good afternoon, lori, rodney, the mortgage interest deduction, on? mous with terms like sacred cow and untouchable but that is changing. >> absolutely. we know several years ago they would have to address the mortgage interest deduction. what we need to remember here is the housing market is already in a troubled stage. ben bernanke last week saying mortgage lending guidelines are overly tight. so we're in an area right now that we know we need to get rid of the deduction but how do we do it? we have to do it structured. lori: let me come in here with this point. are you saying if we get rid of this deduction it could thwart, to your point a very vulnerable recovery? today we got the mortgage apps down 23 years from the prior weeks. new home sales were down when they were expected to rise? >> yeah, it could absolutely hurt the, short term it could hurt it. l
.s. treasury department is now stopping short of labeling the world's second biggest economy a currency manipulator. the white house is expected now to send the congress a multi-billion-dollar request on the recovery from superstorm sandy. the storm caused an estimated $71 billion in damages in new york and new jersey, and some congressional aides saying the request for funding would likely be at least $11 billion. the move comes as canada gets close to its decision on whether to approve the transaction. the energy companies say discussions with the committee are still in progress, and of course they had to file approval because they have extensive operations in the u.s. gulf of mexico. >>> "the wall street journal" reporting that virtue is emerging as the frontrunner to buy knight capital. they would possibly sell off parts of that business. finally, we can't get away from the story of twinkies. the bakers union of hostess brands wants a bankruptcy judge to appoint a chapter 11 trustee to ensure an orderly winddown. the union is saying it objects the allowing incumbent management to su
send the entire world economy into a recession. steve moore is here, senior economics writer at the "wall street journal." he joins us now from washington, d.c. will they prevent it, steve? >> the good news is, no one should ever listen to what they say. but, you know, these go sheesh and keep rolling on. my sources on capitol hill say that there is still a lot of gridlock there. the main thing, in my opinion, can they reach a deal on these taxes that does not require all of the requirements of business to go up? dagen: do think that happened, because again, there are so many taxes that we need to worry about, the lawmakers never fixed it for 2012. if they do not fix that, it will hit 33 million americans. the payroll tax cut. will that go away, because, again, it was temporary ones, temporary twice and it will still be a higher tax. >> im so glad you brought up the amt. nobody has really been focusing on this. that would be bigger than even extending the bush tax cuts. you are talking about $2 trillion in additional taxes on americans over the next decade if we do not fix th
, they push forward with technology, and market and the economy. a lot of good public health things is being done, the east of the world could china, india, and down here in 60s they lift, they get healthy educated and small families. they start to grow their economy and see they are catching up today, when wieland 2010, -- these country that borrow mon to richest when they have debt problems 92 this. jim: this raises two amazing results from this think about. there has been thousands of years of human rif history evere was stuck in lower lift 4,00 4,- left for thousands of years, how come some are still stuck. >> this is afghanistan and congo, this is civil war, the best message today is most of the african countries are in fast economy growth, they have corrected the wrong market ideas, they had 20 years a, they have a much better education level of their people today and tanzania has today a situation similar to thailand, 1972. went 40 years we can see african countries doing what asia mas done. john: this is wonderful. >> still 2 billion fellow human buyings are -- beings are in deep pov
40. >> if you're trying to forecast the economy, what matters is what america actually decides, not what it should decide. what it's actually going to decide is a small bargain that gets us through 2013 and doesn't fix the problem. that's the reality that we're going to face. >> so your gdp under that scenario for 2013, 2014, 2015 -- >> yeah, for 2012, we'll have about two quarters of 1.5%. i think we'll get some resolution by mid year so we'll grow 2.5%, maybe 3%. >> mid year. >> yeah. and then in 2013, i think you can grow 3%, maybe more as long as you have -- >> if you just let it ride? >> that's my forecast. we're not going to fix these fundamental problems except over a ten year period with 10 or 15 pieces of legislation. >> medicare alone is 42 trillion unfunded. social security 20.5 trillion. and then you add the 16 that we know about to that. none of these are in black and white those first two that i mentioned. you add it all together, 86.8. >> a lot depends on what happens to medical care. i mean, one thing that could change these estimates tremendously, find a cure f
, and accumulate savings in the future it would be very bad for the economy, everyone that has their fingerprints, george herbert walker bush thought he of the a hero in 1990, he cut the deal, and he raised taxes, got the promises of spending cuts, the taxes went up, spending did not go down, he tajed econom tanked. neil: everyone makes a big deal about a pledge. and if euif you did this same with a pledge to plain spending rein in spending you you'll be more vilified. >> only reason they are talking about spending restraint they are trying to buy tax increases, theple pledge does have an affet on spending, not raising taxes is he first condition to getting to spending restraint, if you leave taxes on the table no spending restraint laps. -- happens it is like putting a piranha in the goldfish bowl, all of the goldfish disappear. neil: i am thinking with way that media portrayed you, that maybe you as a child did put piranha in a goldfish bowl. thank you. the issue is not grover, it is money going into washington and money going out, the is a hell of a lot more money that is leaving washington r
few years, but it's also the case. if you look at the simpson-bowles report, the rivlin-dmin economy report, the gang of six and crapo and johanns, all say we need a deal that includes $4 trillion in debt reduction over ten years, and about a third of it coming from revenues. you got revenues at 15% or just over that of gdp, and spending at 24%, and you got to bring the spending down, but you got to bring revenues up. frankly, we're not going to have a deal. gerri: it's the object of debate, debated every night here. >> yeah. gerri: i was looking at your bio, and back in 2006, you wrote a book called "how congress is failing america," you must feel that you feel all of washington is the problem at this point. is this something that can't be fixed at this point? are we not going to come to a resolution of the fiscal cliff? you've been watching this a very long time. >> i have, and i think the tragedy of this is that there's a deal to be had, and it does not involve all that much. it involves significant pain for almost everybody, but you're not going to do it without bringing that pai
strategy pay off for retailers? will concerns about the sluggish economy and the fiscal cliff keep consumers home? all questions we seek answers to. >> let's get some answers. cnbc contributor stacy liblet at queens center mall here in new york city. we also have liz dunn of mcquarry capital on the west coast in san francisco. great to have you all with us. laura, why don't i get to you first of all. what are you seeing out there on the floor of the malls? >> so traffic's slowing a little bit which is normal for the afternoon. i think that most of the traffic -- most of the big buys were for electronics and toys. those happened last night. they may be happening online more and more. but the mall's bit slow, we think, relative to a year ago. >> do you think people came in earlier with all of these earlier openings that we've been hearing about? do you feel maybe that's just drifted off a little bit as everyone's now done their shopping and gone loam to bed? >> i'm pretty sure that that is what has happened here. you don't normally see -- this is an urban mall in queens. i would not
serious consequences for the entire economy. a lot of details here and they are coming up inside fox report. well, just hours remain in what is expected to be the biggest online shopping day ever. the research firm core score predicts americans will spend $1.5 billion online today alone this cyber monday. that's up 20% from last year. the national retail federation reports the average holiday shopper spent $423 this weekend in stores and online. total spending an estimated $59 billion. cheryl casone live from the fox business network with us tonight. cheryl, that's a big shot in the army for the economy. isn't it? >> it certainly is, shepard. we are seeing an allot of interest in online shopping today. initial numbers into fox business about how many people are out there spending this, today cyber monday. this is going to be already the biggest cyber monday ever when it comes to sales or revenues for the nation's he biggest retailers. number one amazon.com. number two wal-mart. 122 million people shopping today on web sites with the estimate looks like at this point we are going to b
consumer giving the economy a big lift or will fears about the fiscal cliff get in the way? a roundtable discussion is up next. you saw sears and kmart president kick off the open at the nasdaq. can his store ring up strong sales this holiday season? we'll head to break and look at this morning's early movers on wall street led by best buy up 1.6%. with the fidelity stock screener, you can try strategies from independent experts and see what criteria they use. such as a 5% yield on dividend-paying stocks. then you can customize the strategies and narrow down to exactly those stocks you want to follow. i'm mark allen of fidelity investments. the expert strategies feature is one more innovative reason serious investors are choosing fidelity. now get 200 free trades when you open an account. if we want to improve our schools... ... what should we invest in? maybe new buildings? what about updated equipment? they can help, but recent research shows... ... nothing transforms schools like investing in advanced teacher education. let's build a strong foundation. let's invest in our teachers so
which means fewer jobs and that can drag our entire economy down. now, the good news is, there's a better option. right now, as we speak, congress can pass a law that would prevent a tax hike on the first $250,000 of everybody's income. everybody's. and that means that 98% of americans and 97% of small businesses wouldn't see their income tacks go up by a single dime. 98% of americans, 97% of small businesses would not see their income tacks go up by a single dime. even the wealthiest americans would still get a tax cut on the first $250,000 of their income. so it's not like folks who make more than 250 aren't getting a tax break, too. they are getting a tax break on the first 250 just like everybody else. families and small businesses would, therefore, be able to enjoy some peace of mind heading into christmas and heading into the new year. and it would give us more time than next year to work together on a comprehensive plan to bring down our deficits, to streamline our tax system, to do it in a balanced way, including asking the wealthiest americans to pay a little more so w
that central bankers can't rescue the u.s. economy if it goes over the fiscal cliff. paul is president of financial capital. given that we're talking about this so much with these guys not around, all we do is we keep showing how much time we have as it's ticking down. when they do get back, paul, how do you think that the deal looks if they do put one together, and do they get it done? >> good morning, and happy thanksgiving to y'all. we all know it's getting done, whether it gets done before christmas or in january, a deal's going to get done. i think also everyone knows taxes are unfortunately -- taxes are going to go up. i don't know it's going to be at the 250 level. maybe at the 500 or million-dollar level. but taxes are going to go up and expenses are going to get cut. so we all wish they would stop the jawboning and positioning and politicking, sit in a room with dulls, both give in a little bit and move on. but they're going to push and push and push and the markets will push a deal to get it done. >> so if you were trying to decide what to do, would you just stand pat with eq
have something really worked out because look at what the economy -- look at where consumer sentiment is over the last couple months. i don't think they can really, you know, run the risk of that falling back. we made so much improvement over the last couple months. at least macroeconomicly, they can't run the risk of this thing going over. >> what does it mean for the stock market and how many different things are affecting it right now? i figure not knowing where tax policy is next year, some people know it will be hire, so they're probably just going to sell into december 31st. and then you've got continuing problems in europe, as well, morgan stanley has a report out about possible recession in 2013. what are the factors that influence the market at 13,000 and do you think it's a good time to ad money or take money out? >> short term, i think the feeling is that things are going to work out. so we'll be in this range here of in the s&ps 1390, 1420. i think if we break 1390, we get down to that next 1360 level will, again, there is so much money on the sidelines waiting to do somet
as the eu and imf agree on terms of debt sustainability. where does it leave the greek economy which has already shrunk by nearly a fifth? >>> and warren buffett on tv this morning saying he wouldn't sell a single share of stock even if he was guaranteed the u.s. goes off the fiscal cliff. just wait until you hear who he thinks should be the treasury secretary. >> we'll begin of course with the deal of the day. conagra foods has agreed to acquire ralcorp for $5 billion. $90 a share in cash. 28% premium to the closing price on monday. kayla tausche reported on potential for a deal between the two companies back in 2011. it creates the largest private label food company in north america. this is a big deal. >> yes, it is. it's big in size in terms of what we've seen in this market. look how excited he is. and they finally got it done. it's been one as you pointed out that was around in 2011. they couldn't get it done. that is conagra. they walked away. ralcorp stock price fell dramatically. they split the post cereal division from ralcorp. the two trade separately. so you did have a compan
a lot of money in aid, $3 billion a year from the united states and he has a very fragile economy. but i'd like to go back to president obama. and he is getting praise from critics even on the right who saw that his first administration, he himself said that in order to be able to influence israel, that the united states needed to create daylight with israel. well, now it appears that he has reversed that position and his position now is that the united states needs to back israel, and as he said over and over and over, israel has a right to defend itself. >> so israel has elections coming up in january. maria, how do you think this is all going to play out in that election? >> i think that this incident, again, like i said in my first answer to you, netanyahu comes out looking very, very strong. and in fact, his opponent, who was as i understand going to announce a run against netanyahu before all of this started, has now backed down, and now it might be too late for him to announce anything, for anyone to announce rung against netanyahu, and he certainly has been strengthened. he showe
hit record levels over the weekend, on the surface maybe good for the economy and shows a good economy, what does dave ramsey think? he's the enemy of debt. but here you have millions of people going into debt, i don't think that dave will approve and he's going to join us next and of course, we'll bring you the opening bell. [ male announcer ] this is joe woods' first day of work. and his new boss told him twongs -- cook what you love, and save your money. joe doesn't know it yet, but he'll wk his way up from busser to waiter to chef before opening a restaurant specializing in fish and me from the great northwest. he'll start investing early, he'll find some good people to help guide him, nd he'll set money aside from his first day of work to his last, which isn't rocket science. it's just common sense. from tdmeritrade. it's just common sense. you know it can be hard to lbreathe, and how that feels. copd includes chronicbronchitis. it's just common sense. youspiriva helps controlto lbremy copd symptomsat feels. by keeping my airways open for 24 hours. plus, it reduces copd flare-ups.
get enough of a recovery. i think we need a deal on the economy and on the budget and the debt, but i think until we get that, we need to have unemployment -- >> we have extended food stamps to 47 million people. we have extended unemployment benefits for up to two years and may extend them again. extended reach of earned income tax credit which is a massive check in the mail to millions of people every january. >> who are working and earning money and rewarding them for work. stuart: most corrupt of all government handout programs. >> it shouldn't be corrupt. it was a good idea and started by ronald reagan. stuart: you would not change the safety net as it now stands? >> i would try to make it work more efficiently but would not change it. stuart: you don't think there's anything wrong with a nation which has all of these millions of people, half the population taking something from the government. >> i think there is a lot right about that in an economic time of devastation. we can make the programs work better, but the programs shouldn't be eliminated because there's corruption whe
't know, feeling better and so much of this is about how we feel about the economy. >> oh, yeah. that's right. investors may not like it, but consumers love it. their confidence, the highest level in many, many months. still below 90, which is really the point at which you see a really strong and robust economy. but the fact that consumer confidence has been doing so much better, it's very important. now, here is possibly a source of their optimism. 20% of consumers expect more jobs in the next six months and that would be a cause for much optimism. >> shepard: yes, it would. the fears about europe's debt crisis clearly eased a bit 'cause there is another deal to provide aid to greece. >> more money for greece, $57 billion. it took three weeks to come to this conclusion for european and global leaders to say hey, we'll give you the money. it will come in four installments and if they didn't get this, they would be in bankruptcy. as you know, that would be bad for the entire e.u. that country, greece, has an unemployment rate of 25%. 25. >> shepard: big number. >> it's a very big numbe
to estimates, 31,000 jobs could be created by exploring that area. we think it's good for the economy. it's good for tax revenue. it is something that the president could do. >> i have followed this industry for a long time. these estimates are very conservative, there is always a lot more out there than what they are saying. but at the same time, the president has been a big file of drilling on public land. he blocked the keystone pipeline and that would've meant a lot of jobs and oil and lower gas prices for everyone. i feel that he won't be in your corner on this one. what are you going to do about that? what is your most persuasive argument, and what is your plan if he stands in the way? >> there is a five-year plan in place. the interior department has issued that there are thousands of offshore wells being developed right now in the goal. and in lockstep. so this is not an unusual activity. the outer continental shelf is there to help us produce energy and there is huge demand for energy in the future. the u.s., the international agency just produced a report this week that said the
-they are not going to get rid of. they need a local economy expanding and growing and you can go to grand rapids, have you been to grand rapids? the economy is booming. they are encouraging it to do so. they have got the recipe for growth that detroit lost her long ago. [talking over each other] >> they have held back the growth of the city -- dave: there are some cities i could point to where the mayors are not on the up and up but -- a city that had a lot of corruption, why can't he get the message? liz: they only hold back thirty million to hang over the head. we are going to hold back $30 million, i don't think that is enough of a push to get going. dave: if you think black friday is the best day to get deals think again. if you want to save money you should wait it out. find out why after the break. it is your money. dave: stocks are higher. the dow jones industrials are up about 88 points. it is a shortened trading session. market's close at 1:00. an informal session. traders are bringing their kids to the floor and volume is expected to be light but there are stocks making big moves. will
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